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More More More… Ammo

Andrea True asked us in the 1970s, “How do you like it, how do you like it?” She was talking about our love and obviously, it was more, more, more, but do we feel the same way about the government with purchasing ammunition for the Department of Homeland Security?

In the past 10 months, estimates show that DHS has stockpiled nearly 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Just think about that for a moment. That is one billion, six hundred million rounds of ammo or 1,600,000,000. If each round were $1 bill, we would not have a deficit problem this year. An article at Alex Jones’ Inforwars.com conveys that, “during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.” Some speculate that there may be a homegrown terrorist threat or an influx of illegal immigration, but does either of those speculations warrant 1.6 billion bullets?

Joseph Farah over at WND.com connected this bit of information with a little remembered and often unreported story from the 2008 presidential campaign. Farah was actually the man, according to his article, that broke the story of Obama’s desire for “a ‘civilian national security force’ as big, as strong and as well-funded as the Defense Department.” Are these two things connected? Perhaps, but the answer remains as to why they need so much ammo. Do they expect the Chinese to invade? Is a zombie apocalypse on the horizon? I think that another of Farah’s theories is much more probabilistic on the why. He thinks that it is a gun control method without the rule of law. He calls it “de-facto gun control.”

If DHS purchases the most popular forms of ammunition, .40 caliber and 9MM, then they are in essence creating a shortage. There is a lack of supply for the citizens, prices increase, and bingo-bango you have a type of gun control. Some problems still exist with this theory however, in that DHS is not buying up every kind of ammo caliber. There is still .45, .44, .357, .50, and many more that they have not purchased on the same scale. This also does not tell us why they are stockpiling. If all they really wanted to get ammo out of the stores and hands of the average Joe, why not destroy them or use them for training once purchased? It is almost as if DHS has become a large scale Prepper, buying and hoarding things for the eventual day that supplies will dry up all together; or worse, a zombie apocalypse.

I think there are a lot of questions that need to be answered about this if only we had news outlets that do what they are supposed to do, or at least do what they are expected to do – ask questions. Instead, we get journalists that would rather talk about the fake admiration Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton have for one another, or show Marco Rubio drinking water 155 times in a 24-hour period like on MSNBC.

I would like to know what you think about this topic. Why does DHS need 1.6 billion rounds? Why are they stock piling these rounds at the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico? Do they really expect the need to train border security and TSA officers in real combat situations for the next 30 years? Is there a zombie apocalypse expected to hit the American Southwest? On the other hand, is this just to supply Obama with enough ammo for all the shooting he does at Camp David all the time? Inquiring minds want to know!

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36 comments

  1. I think the americans will one day be told to give up their arms and we all know that they will come to take them if we do not give them up, the ammo is for the war the Americans will wage to protect their second amendment rights. I hear that they have enough ammo to shoot every American five times, well we have ammo too and most Americans have been buying it for years and have also stockpiled it. There will be a fight…GOD BLESS AMERICA

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    • GOD has already blessed America and all we do is disgrace his gifts. We as a country have lost the moral compass he provides by shedding his name in all we do, say, and live. This country now acts as if to have faith in GOD and attempting to live as he directs in the Holy Bible is in some way dirty or wrong. We are in fact doing exactly as Judas did and will be brought to justice before him.

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      • Amen!
        “As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects, Providence punishes national sins by national calamities.”

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  2. I said it before there are no zombies. that is childs games. the real problem is in washington the government is so bad they keep giving them self’s rasies and never have done with out. as I and my children has. now this something is very wrong in DC the illegales have more rights then the men and weman that has fought for this country and now he is taking away the benifits of the veterans. I’m a disabled vietnam veteran I can’t work because of the VA hospital messed me up for life. I get a howl $1,203 a month to take care of my 4 children myself and my wife. sure my wife works but she only makes min. wage. before the VA did this to me I worked heavey equipment and drove a truck for a living. I made 1’500 a week easy but now the government is all messed up Obama needs to be impeached and let a veteran take over. some one that has fought for the U.S.A. with pride and glory and a good back bone like in the old day when our founding fathers wrote the decleration. Sorry for running off it just makes me mad the Government dose the things they do and gets away from it.

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  3. Gee whiz just what do you think they are buying all those rounds for? It might be for an apocalypse but not for zombies!!!!

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  4. Or maybe it’s so they have what they need on hand so they can go at gun control another way! Like from the ammo side as opposed to the gun side. They could argue that the constitution says nothing about ammo being protected. Remember folks….Social change thru contrived crisis” is the mantra of government. Divide and conquer. Those who don’t have ammo will find it increasingly harder to secure in any kind of quantity.

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    • Brent Dickerson

      I have thought this for years, that the government will impose an enormous tax on the sale of bullets and in essence create the control they desire. but as a federal agency DHS would be exempt from paying sales tax, so I am not sure if that fits why they are doing what they are doing. I will have another piece out soon about this, that may just help to clarify things…

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      • The government would only need to control the ammo market for a limited amount of time, not forever. Then they could ration ammo or limit it’s purchase to permited people or any number of such scenario’s. Your first mistake is attempting to use any sort of logic when considering the motivations of government.

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      • I think that Obama is going to let the ammo slide into other country’s hands just like he let the gun’s cross the border to mexico then he will be set for life with the kick backs. and then he can blame the next president for it. it is just an opinion.

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  5. Geez, I should have reread this before now. I made a mistake in the defict part…sorry, our deficit this year is 1 TRILLION not 1 Billion…stupid mistake.

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    • It’s not like it’s going to get paid off so we could really just make up a word for it. Thought provoking article.

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  6. The answer is simple. Obama plans to KILL everyone who does not bow down and worship him. Obama is the forerunner of the anti-christ. He WILL destroy America, Satan is controlling him. This is why America is not mentioned in the Bible. We kicked God out of the country and Obama is God’s punishment to America.

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  7. I have wondered about this since I first heard it……my only guess is that George Soros has interest in several ammo manufactors as I have heard and this would help him plus create shortage.

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  8. I don’t think there is really any doubt about the intended purpose of this ammunition. I have read elsewhere that hollow point bullets were purchased. Hollow points are not for military use in war. These are for use in controlling the civilian population and do much more damage than jacketed military ammo.

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  9. I believe there is an impending collapse of our economic system in the near future, and once those government entitlements dry up there will be riots. Also if you study AGENDA21 it is all about sustainability and this planet cannot sustain 6 billion people. Their estimates are this planet can sustain only 2.5 billion. What do we do with the rest of the people?

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  10. I guess a good question to have the answer to, is how this ammo is packaged. Is it packed like some of the surplus ammo I purchased, for the long term, or packed to be used shortly? That would give us some insight as to it’s use.

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  11. Progressives-R-Cancer

    Their biggest lie is that they purchased the ammo for training purposes only. BS! They purchased HOLLOW POINT bullets (which are considered by the Hague Convention to be too savagely lethal to be used legally in war zones), and any gun owner knows that these more expensive rounds are NOT used for training – the less expensive non-hollow points (“full metal jacket”) rounds are used for training. Hollow points are used primarily for the sole purpose of killing with massive injuries (in this case, killing US citizens).

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    • Since the late 70’s or early 80’s we have been training with the exact same type of ammo that we carry on duty; there was a large civil liability case involving an officer/agency who trained with cheap range ammo, but carried 38 or 357 HV ammo, and was involved in a nasty shooting incident. Practice ammo, for the most part, doesn’t have the same recoil and ballistics as duty ammo.

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      • who cares what type ammo they are using,those dudes aren’t training that much to use that amount. we would have to have about 60,000,000 D H S officer firearm training around the clock to use that up. plus the country’s bankrup.

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        • Progressives-R-Cancer

          Nope. Not training with it much at all. It’s intended use is against the population that is about to rise up against the socialist Obama regime.

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    • Sorry Progressives-R-Cancer, hollow point or soft-nose bullets ARE NOT
      prohibeted by the HAGUE CONVENTION. They are prohibited for use by the contracting parties only, and only against contracting parties. If a third party, not a signatory to the “convention” , becomes involved in the conflict then such ammo can be used against them! That’s why we can use HP ammo against terrorists.

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      • Progressives-R-Cancer

        Thanks for the clarification, but in the context of the bigger picture (i.e., the intended domestic use of that much ammo, and the 7,000 new M16s and 2,700 new armored assault vehicles), it’s an academic point

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  12. Yet another example of the Political Class walling themselves off from the rest of us. Frankly, its downright scary trying to imagine what they (think they) need all this firepower for!

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  13. The ammo will go well with the 2717 urban warfare tanks they just bought an the 7000 personal defense (select fire) rifles they just ordered.

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  14. Homeland security is getting really frightening. A week ago, they showed up at my Army Reserve center to check out our capabilities. Since posse comatatus was suspended, they can call us (federal troops) up for anything. And I’ve heard reports that DHS vehicles have been repeatedly spotted in my small mid-Michigan town.

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  15. Don’t miss WACO Unleashed! Playing soon to your neighborhood!

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  16. The zombie apocalypse has already happened – remember, the brain-dead zombies all mobbed together and re-elected President Hussein! Zombies are a protected majority in the USA!

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  17. i don’t see this as being funny.2,800 heavey armoured wheeled vehicules purchased by D H S, billions of rounds of ammo and its said they purchased 7000 m-16 type weapons. L presidente says we don’t have any money and we have to let illegal out of prison. EPA,department of education and the I R S also purchased ammo ? i asked my gov rep and haven’t got a reply yet .

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  18. I didn’t see the motive I think most likely: a way to spend all funds allocated to DHS in the fiscal year. You can’t keep the annual number ratcheting up each year if you don’t spend it all. Ammo is a convenient, flexible, storable, in some regard legitimate way to spend the annual funds rather than lose them. (And if it helps with the zombie hoards, all the better).

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  19. If you reload and can stock up on enough powder, primers, bullets and casings you will probably be able to fend off an Obama Government attack on your family and home, from his Home Land Security Dept. until his second term is up! That is unless he gets Congress to Amend the Constitution so he can have 3 or 4 terms. Then you are screwed!

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  20. This concerns me and has for years.. But i’v a feeling, when the shit really hits the fan,, DHS officers who’s loyalties lie with the Bill of Rights will turn much of this ammo and light tanks over to the Patriots side. Anyone doing otherwise is on the wrong side of the Constitution, the Dec of Independence and of History.. Those DHS supporting BO will be dealt with harshly. As military units ”Defect” to our side as well,, we will take the rest of this equipment and secure it into safe,, sane hands…The time will come when we make an example of these Treasonous traitors, so that History NEVER FORGETS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO TRY AND SUBJUGATE THE BILL OF RIGHTS. There are difficult times coming, hard choices to be made. Let us work towards stopping this long B4 it gets to that point……

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  21. In regards to Mr . Tramples comment above, if anyone has seen the movie “Red Dawn” with Patrick Swayze this is an entirely plausible scenario except in this case the enemy would not be the Cubans and the Russians but our own fellow citizens. The weapons of the opposing forces were commandeered and used against them. And yes I most certainly believe that all the DHS/US military forces would not voluntarily comply with an order to use deadly force against their fellow Americans no matter who gave the orders. This would be a new civil war with the government using its version of Hitlers brown shirts (see Obamas civilian “youth corps”) as auxiliary forces for a systematic protocol of urban pacification! Make no mistake, the stage is being set. It still remains to be seen who will choose to be on which side.

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  22. I like the way you think!

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  23. The greatest danger in having a federal police force is that it will not be subject to the Posse Comitatus act of 1978. The military can not legally used against US citizens on US soil except under the greatest emergencies. The brand shiny new DHS can be used with out the restrictions of that pesky act protecting all of us. And for those who think that DHS will not use force against citizens you have only to read a short story by George Orwell called Animal Farm.

    At least three generations of moldable minds have been brain washed to believe that ‘Fat Cat Bankers’ are the source of all our woes courtesy of the media and public edu-doctrination. These lemmings believe it as much as they believe the world is round. Now we have the first generation being taught that those who hold guns and are preppers and who believe in self reliance are nuts, wack-jobs, and “HOME GROWN TERRORISTS”. The progressives are playing a long game planning years ahead. A beefy DHS that stock piles ammo and gradually begins to insert it self into law enforcement will become the accepted norm. How long did it take the American Sheople to accept the TSA and illegal seraches? Eventually, those men and women serving DHS will, believing with their whole hearts that they are serving the good of the country, begin to operate on soil. They will be able to do what the progressives can not use the Army to do, and if that requires using force to disarm the threat then so be it.

    If we do not awaken our family, friends, and neighbors, if we do not begin to teach honor, the joy and pride in hard work, respect for our fellow human beings, and self reliance, we are lost. If each person who believes in all that is good and fears the coming destruction of the constitutional republic would find one person, especially a young adult who has been sucked into the line of lemmings and worships at the alter of Nanny-Bama, and teach them to think for themsleves, our numbers would double in no time. Then repeat the process and the numbers are now 4 times as many. We can take back the country from perversion and corruption, from a socialist/statist power, from darkness falling on the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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  24. FAT CAT BANKSTERS ARE THE PROBLEM: the only thing banksters really do, is to SELL MONEY!

    (Over time, renting it out on the installment plan)! So we’re now all literally only buying time, and living on borrowed time, thanks to their scams!

    This is a RECIPE FOR SLAVERY: Say I agree to sell you ten dollars, and you agree to re-pay me thirteen dollars for the “privilege.”

    Instantly, your money is only worth 0.77% of mine (just divide ten by thirteen); “compound” your mistake, and very quickly your money will be worth NOTHING compared to mine; I will effectively OWN YOU!

    Selling money means that there is no real “standard” rate of exchange – everbody’s money is worth something different from everone else’s!
    THIS DEFINES “INEQUALITY!”

    (This also easily explains the difference in currency exchange rates between countries)!

    Add to this the fact that these banksters have long-since bribed the sales-puppets (‘politicians’) in government to allow them to literally write checks they have no ability to cash – allowing them to lend out over TEN* TIMES what they really have in their “reserves,” and you can see it works like this:

    Say I’m a bankster’s kid, age 20.

    I “invest” ONE thousand bucks into Dad’s bank, so we are then “allowed” to lend out TEN thousand bucks, at ten percent interest each.

    At the end of the first year, we’ve DOUBLED my real money, taking in TWO thousand bucks (“earning” a thousand). That’s once, the first time.

    Next year, we “invest” that TWO thousand bucks, and get back another two (making FOUR thousand) by the end of the year.

    It goes like this, always doubling: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 1,024 – so exactly ten years after we first dropped that first thou, we’ve multiplied it by over a thousand times!

    SO: After that first ten years, by age 30, I’ve “earned” a million bucks, from an “investment” of only a thousand!

    By 40, I’ve turned that million into a Billion, and by age 50, I’ve got a TRILLION DOLLARS for basically doing nothing!

    And the bankster families have been at this scam for over 200 years, so YES, they DO literally OWN THE WORLD, by now.

    And it’s all imaginary, fake money! Made up out of thin air!

    *The ten-times rate was what they started with, over 200 years ago; in recent years, it’s also been “allowed” to them, by their bribed ‘politician’ (power-trader) traitors in “our governments,” to exponentially accelerate to an unbelievable FIFTY TIMES in the ‘States, and in Canada to at least TWENTY TIMES the amounts of real money actually held in the banksters’ reserves, thus effectively allowing them to double their money in only a few months in each and every year.

    And, they’ve also bribed these traitorous ‘politician’ sales-puppets of theirs, to let them print our money for only their own profits, instead of just printing it for our selves, for free! (We could have continued to be our own bankers)!

    By these simple and clearly treasonous actions, the politicians thus can be seen to only represent the banksters and not the public they have sworn to serve and protect! So, thanks to the self-promoting salesmen we laughingly call “our leaders,” we’ve been forced to pay FOR-PROFIT TAXES for decades! And our kids’ futures have been forever enslaved to these same global criminals by them, too!

    ;-(

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  25. Hey, maybe…just maybe they are stock piling that ammo, which is in 9mm and .40 cal, the same as used by over 90% of all police and federal agencies, to strongly enforce the new gun laws they think will pass? I can see no other use for 1.6 billion rounds or as stated 30 years supply for war going soldiers. If you have to use force, and physically retrieve guns from their owners, then you may have to have that many rounds. I’m sure those that choose to resist at first, will be labeled terrorist. After the first few days, and untold dead, I suspect they are banking on the rest of the country to give in, and give over their weapons. Probably a good plan, and I’m sure they are working on the spin, and training already. Somewhere in some part of the country, their making a movie. This movie shows Homeland Security officers physically remanding weapons from normal people. I’m sure it starts out with the door bell ringing, and the first shots coming from those in side. Kind of like another Waco TX deal. Of course this will be ready for distribution to the news media, to play for all to see, and scary everyone into compliance. Might work? might not? I would say they have a better chance than not, considering they have used this trickery in the past before.
    One thing is for certain, today we live in a very uncertain time. You cannot trust the News, as it’s biased and only reflects the corporations views that own it. The video you watch on screen is of un-known origin. meaning you have no idea if it is true or fiction. And the events around the world are generally staged for the benefit of the few, the powerful and rich. Remember the term WMD? Wasn’t that an outright lie from the top officials of our country to the taxpaying population? Operation GUN RUNNER, another lie. A complex plan to allow illegal purchases of American firearms to flow into Mexican hands, all so the federal government could later say look here, American guns are getting into Mexico and causing problems. Now we have to restrict gun sales. If gun running was a problem they could fix it. if Mexican smugglers were a problem they could fix that. if drugs imported from Mexico was a problem they could fix that. They don’t want to fix anything, it suits their objectives for now. Oh, we could just build a fence, like every other farmers does, when he wants to keep things in or out of his property….But that would be to simple, a simple fence. No, instead we supply a hand full of Border Guards, to make it look like they care or are trying to do something about the problem. But, one border guard for every 15-20 miles of border does nothing. Just wait till their shift is up at 5:00 and sneak in that night. What a way to run a country ? ? ?

    Sorry you can sit back and blame the guns all you want, they are not the problem. The problem is you cannot see to blame the user of the gun that commits the crime. They are the problem, I cannot help if they happen to be white, poor, educated or un-educated, black, male, female, Mexican, came from troubled families, had perfect families, had no father, were abused by Catholic’s, or whatever other social nameplate you like to attach to them so they are not held accountable. The bottom line is that those that commit crime with guns are the real problem. Not the guns themselves or regular gun owners. if you get hit by a car driven by a drunk, are you going to blame and try to band all cars? No that would be stupid right? It was the drunk driver that caused the problem…but you cannot see it that way with guns. Well I do, and I think most normal people do also. Instead you hide behind the crime, and try to push your non-gun right agenda down everyone else’s throat. You don’t care about the injured, or dead, they are simply a means to your end….The end of guns in America. This isn’t about keeping kids safe, you simply aliened yourself behind the first best cover story to come along, that might pull at the hearts of Americans, and advance your agenda. Many or even most might not see you for what you are or represent, but I do, and I hope others will wake up. Every day, guns help regular citizens to protect themselves from criminals. And hundreds of thousands, every year are protected by the guns in this country. Those who fought off an attacker, scared away a criminal, thief or intruder. Those thousands of incidents’, that never go on record, that saved countless souls. You never hear from them, the news never tells of such reports, only the negative, the gun shots that rang out in the night in anger….never in defense. Trust me…I hate to hear the rotten news every night too. I morn for the stupid loss of life, that potential wasted. But as long as we have civilization we will have those that think they can take what is not theirs. What they did not work for, from those they see as week. Presently, right now the number 1 weapon used to inflect harm is a baseball bat! The club has been a favorite for the last million years, and I do not see it changing. After that, comes knives, chains, bare hands and glass bottles. Would you feel any safer walking thru a bad area, even if the city had been completely rid of all guns ? Most would truthfully answer no, for when you walk thru a bad area, know thinks to them self, gee I hope they won’t have a gun…..They simply think to themselves, gee I hope we don’t have any trouble. For you know with or without a gun, your still very much in danger. The second amendment was not to protect just gun owners. It was to protect the entire country from itself, to keep the government from growing to the point of turning on its own. To keep the normal citizen, with the right to keep arms, so they as a group can make sure the government is also on the side of the people. A government by the people, for the people.

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